Scientific MusingsAndRamblings

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It's getting hot in here: The Climate Crisis

- - humbugfighter


Relief: The majority of Americans believe that global warming is real.

This is a relief, that number has gone up significantly in the past two years. Partially due to the political climate as well as the loads of information out there debunking the denier's claims.

How does global warming work?

The Earth's atmosphere acts as a blanket, it traps in heat from the sun which is necessary in order to sustain life. We couldn't live on a planet without a greenhouse effect producing atmosphere. However when heightened levels of CO2 are emitted in the atmosphere this causes the "blanket" to thicken, allowing for more heat to get trapped. 

Is global warming man-made?

This is where the deniers are staunchly in disagreement with 75% of the scientific community. Most people accept climate change as a truth, but that is a loaded sentence. Because I don't think there could be a single reason to deny changing climate, it happens yearly on a regular basis, however if you ask the same people how many of them believe in global warming, the number will change. Especially if you ask if they think it was caused by man. 
During the ice age, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was at 180-210 ppm, during hot periods it was at 280-300ppm. That is natural climate change. However, after the industrial revolution it is at 390ppm. That means by just the burning of fossil fuels since the industrial revolution, we've raised the CO2 levels almost as much as the transition between a global ice age and regular hotter climates. That is a stunningly drastic change. CO2 emissions are important naturally because they regular the Earth's ice age cycles. The entire scientific community agrees that burning fossil fuels and gas causes the atmosphere to heat up.

Why the denial?

There is geopolitical gain, for starters the average Joe that denies man-made climate change is basically indoctrinated by their favorite conservative talk radio personality to doubt the evidence behind it without further examination, partially due to the paranoia and conspirator mindset that the government will add more regulations and controls due to this "false flag" scenario. It is easier to just deny the whole thing as a fraud than to risk any personal freedoms being taken away. Now, there is some rationality to this push back, radicals on the left think taking drastic precautions is necessary for the environment while others wish to use these drastic changes for their own geopolitical gain. The deniers will fall on their own merit and lack of evidence. Those claiming that global warming is a hoax use, useless facts about Al Gore (which have nothing to do with the scientific evidence.) or keep repeating the war cry "There is no evidence for it!" When in fact, there is.
See, the issue here (as noted in an earlier post) is that we are not only capable of believing things without reason or evidence, but for the same reasons we are also capable of rejecting reality and evidence for no reason than our own desire not to. Denying evidence when there is evidence is the same as making false claims based on no evidence.

How can global warming be solved without taking away my freedoms?

Well luckily we have new technologies, for instance, electric cars will be at the forefront of solving a lot of are carbon emission levels. We also have many climatologists and research scientists looking into ways to alter Earth's atmosphere, we have safe and clean nuclear power technology and many other alternatives to conveniently reduce CO2 in our atmosphere while also adding cost effective energy into the global economy. The problem is political shenannigans. Companies that make billions on the sale of fossil fuels and other dirty energy sources will do whatever they can to stay in business. To them, their goals are not about the future of the planet, but the future of their paychecks. (Every company is the same in this regard, they just seem evil because it's currently an issue.) Acting to conserve old business practices and manipulating the information to keep things unchanged in the economy is self defeating for any business professional. You must be versatile and be willing to invite new technology and trends into your business model. If you know that the burning of fossil fuels will one day be obsolete, it is smart to take pains to prepare now for additional ways to profit on the sale of cleaner fuels and energy. While a good portion of oil companies are taking pains to do so, there is a lot that aren't, they are merely spending the extra dollars to advertise their changed image on offering cleaner solutions, this doesn't solve the initial problem, it is only a band-aid. There is a way to safely solve the global climate crisis without unfair business regulations and taking away individual freedoms.

Why does it matter?

We are half way through our Sun's lifespan. Earth should be around half way through it's life span, averaging at a little over. We are on the brink of destroying the only planet we have and need for every person and species we know to exist. I would say that grave dangers are more imperative than whether or not a few companies fail or succeed. We live in a free market and we have to play by the rules and be the best in order to succeed, if a company doesn't want to play by the rules or innovate to get ahead of the marketplace then those companies will surely fail on their own merits. It is not up to us to adjust the conditions in which something fails or succeeds but to simply allow the chips to fall on their own merit, in doing so, we will give birth to renewable energy offered at highly competitive pricing which will drastically better the environment. There are no other options at this point in time, something must be done to protect our only home. The alternatives are far out of sight, the nearest star system to us is 4.2 light years away and has no known Earth-like planet in its vicinity. So far the nearest Earth-like life sustainable planets that we have discovered are more than 1,200 light years away. Even if we had a perfect Earth planet 4.2 light years away it would still take us 20,000 years to get their due to our current highest speed of space travel we've achieved, of course a giant ship containing humans in space that long would move a lot slower. The radiation levels in space is also a major setback in long term space travel. There are thousands of issues to solve and new discoveries to be made before we could say that our capabilities are that advanced. So as far as we know, we don't have any other available options than to make Earth the most habitable we can make it. It is everyone's responsibility so long as each of those individuals selfishly want themselves and their offspring to survive. 
Denying man-made climate change will only damage our situation more and bring up new generations under a scientific denying umbrella at the most crucial time in humanity's history in which scientists have never been more needed to solve the every day and future issues that humanity faces.
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Quantum Quackery: The Subatomic Cult

- - humbugfighter



A Quantum Cult

Quantum Mechanics is a branch of modern physics that deals with the world on a microscopic level. It departs from classical mechanics at the atomic and subatomic scale and provides the mathematical explanation for wave-particle duality and much much more. Basically, it is a lot of math and requires a few years of Calculus and physics to understand on an intermediate level. So when people whom do not have that sort of educational background in physics go on television to explain to you how quantum physics works and how you can make it “work” in your own life. It’s humbug.

“What the bleep do we know?” is a documentary style film that came out in 2004 and with it, brought a whole new trend among new agers alike. It explores the supposed spiritual connection between consciousness and quantum mechanics. This is not the only film that has tried to do this; for reference purposes here’s a list of the other popular ones:

“The Law of Attraction”
“The Quantum Activist”
“A Quantum Leap!”
(Not the amazing sci-fi show)
“Quantum Communication”
“Quantum Creations”
“Quantum Attitude”
“Quantum Mind of God”
“What the Bleep!? Down the Rabbit Hole”
“Quantum Revelation”
“The Voice: The Cosmos and the Quantum Universe.”
(Sounds more sciencey, except it stars Krishna Das)
“Quantum Astrology”
“Who you REALLY Are!”
“Getting into the Vortex!”
“Path of Enthusiasm”
“The Secret”
“The Big Bang Within You”
“Manifesting Change”

Just to give you an idea, when I say the word “Trend”, I mean TREND.
How did this happen?  Newton said it best; for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Every branch of science as its opposing pseudoscience.
Quantum mechanics is an easy target because, even scientists will tell you it is a little weird and no one quite understands all of it yet.
First, let’s take a look at only one of these films, “What the bleep do we know?”


The film makers are cult members
Yes, you heard that right.
 

They're not trying to hide it from you. Remember that one weird lady in the film? You probably didn't notice her info presented here.
Her real name is Judith Hampton, she goes by J.Z. Knight in the public eye while claiming to be channeled by the spirit of "Ramtha" whom has never existed. We know Ramtha never existed because she claims he was an ancient shaman from the lost city of Atlantis (which also probably never existed). She's also been around long enough for even Carl Sagan to criticize her in his book "A Demon-Haunted World".
She started a cult called "Ramtha School of Enlightenment", it has been self-described as a cult by her former husband and former member, as well as several other formal members due to the fact that they have forced members to be locked in the school grounds overnight in poor conditions that actually contributed to someone's death.

The main ongoing belief is that Jehovah will return to Earth in a spaceship accompanied by "Lizard People".
Cyanide Kool-aid anyone?

Not exactly the type of people to get your science info from. All three directors of the film are members of this cult. However, they have carefully crafted many books and documentaries to sound scientific and make an attractive case for how you can control situations and outcomes by merely using your thoughts.
Here are the major claims made in this documentary as well as other "Quantum Self-Help" materials.

·         The universe is made from ideas, rather than substances.
·         Matter is not solid. Particles disappear in and out of existence.
·         Peptides in the brain can cause a bodily reaction to emotion.
·         Everyone has and creates their own reality.
·         You can change substances and molecules by your thoughts.


The film features actual physicists that have gone "solo" and decided to leave a promising career in actual science for a fraudulent career making millions in book and DVD sales.
However, there were a few scientists featured in the film that were purposely misled that it was a scientific film about quantum physics and had nothing to do with any sort of mind body connection, a few were outraged and sued. However, it is easy to just ask to meet the scientific adviser; if they don't have one, then leave. David Albert did explain for 4 hours how quantum mechanics has nothing spiritual about it, only for the clips to be edited in a misleading way to seem as though he is a proponent of the idea.
Other professionals include: A theology professor, anesthesiologist, chiropractor, psychiatrist, Fred Alan Wolf who calls himself a physicist, and a neuro-scientist.

Basically; quantum mechanics works nothing like this film implies. The ideas in this film does not come from quantum physics but actually from another philosophy; Solipsism.
They have hijacked the word "Quantum" in order to convince the layman that they are sharing something "scientific", in reality it is a cult that is supporting this belief.


What the bleep is Solipsism?
 

It's an epistemological position that knowledge outside one's mind is unknown and the only thing sure to exist is one's own mind. There are many sub branches of this philosophy but the main idea comes from Metaphysical Solipsism which states that there is nothing in existence outside of the mind, your world is a figment of your own imagination, essentially no one else exists, even me. Regardless of the fact that I too feel just as strongly about existing as you do and could easily argue that you don't exist either. While that is an interesting thought experiment, believing it is ridiculous. Your hallucination is oddly consistent and persistently disappointing considering you're controlling it in your head.

The solipsist believes that one can alter their own reality precisely because they are the only mind that exists and their mind is creating the illusion of reality.

How can you make a documentary sharing how anyone can control their own reality, if the entire basis of the idea relies on only one mind existing in the first place, due to the issues it would create? For instance, there is a finite amount of money in the world; if everyone in the world thought about wanting it, this documentary says "You will get it, surely!", but that isn't the case. We've all wished for money but we don't get it. It would be impossible to wish and receive things that everyone else is also wishing and receiving.

Why is matter finite if matter can be created in our minds?
I will let the obvious crackpot claims lie on their own merits and you can be the judge.
You can put down the vision board, get out in the world, start setting real goals with real actions to back them up, and get real results.

Quantum Mechanics is complex and interesting without having to make up crap about it.
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Why your coincidences are only coincidental

- - humbugfighter


The science of coincidence

I'm sure all of you know what I'm talking about, we've experienced coincidences before on different scales and heard stories about big meaningful coincidences and probably once exclaimed "What are the odds of that?!"
Well that's exactly what they are; odds, not oddities.

If you're out with a group of friends and someone else has the exact same birthday as you and your first inclination is to say "What a strange coincidence!" and begin wondering "what it all means." The odds of someone having your same birthday is a 1 in 365. You have a 99% chance of being in a room with someone with your same birthday if there are 57 people and a 50% chance if there are 23 people.

Those super rare events with one in a million odds occur more often than you think in a population of 250 million people. Let's say a super rare coincidence happens to at least one person in a million every day, that's 250 coincidences each day, 100,000 coincidences every year, and would only take approximately 6.8 years to completely recycle through all 250 million people giving each person a day to have a one in a million coincidence.


What you're looking at here is randomness and probability. 
You have to look at every other possibility in order to properly assess the probability of the event that did occur.
However, quacks like Deepak Chopra would have you believe otherwise, that there is no such thing as a coincidence, that whenever you experience one it is because it bears a direct relationship with a prior event and was "supposed" to happen. It is easy to walk around saying that events that have already occurred were "meant" to happen and look like you know what you're talking about. No one can prove you otherwise or say it wasn't meant to happen because the event has already happened. This is the new thing for psychics, it has become too difficult to predict future events so they will state the obvious about past events and still be convincing you they have some sort of supernatural ability. It seems that because of the odds, determinism isn't a one way street, it has several different available paths, but proving whether or not there is some driving force behind it, meaning, or that it only appears to have multiple options while we're observing it alone is going to be a difficult task. There is no such proof and until then, your coincidence is just a coincidence.

Why do we feel as though our coincidence isn't just a coincidence?


Cognitive failures are no stranger to the human brain, patternicity; or seeing patterns and meaningful connections is a purely subjective experience for the observer.
A type 1 error; believing something is real when it is not, type 2; believing something is not real when it is. It is the same evolutionary process in our brains that aided our distant ancestors for survival, (it’s better to err and assume the sound is a predator in the woods than to err by assuming it’s just the wind, even if it is just the wind) It is the same cognition error that explains why there are conspiracy theorists, religious people, superstitions, and pseudoscience.



For instance, a Buddhist probably would not see the Virgin Mary in a puddle of water, the same way a conspiracy theorist more often believes in all or most conspiracies than just one, similarly a Christian may experience a coincidence only a few hours after praying and think it's a "sign."



This means that every day there are coincidences that you don’t notice and patterns that you don’t see. While the patterns you do notice may not actually be patterns but associations made in your brain based on your memory and beliefs. 


So maybe our life’s events are not governed by a master plan having a specific meaning, perhaps it has as much meaning as you create in your mind. One thing we do know, the fact that you can create meaning and patterns in your mind is governed by a force known as natural selection. 



While that explains why we in general believe things that aren't true and deny things that are, the causing factor in why we assume meaning in something easily explained by math is probably because of math phobia and a general ignorance of the numbers.
 ( but that will be a later post.)

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Dinosaurs: Jurassic Bunk!

- - humbugfighter



Dinosaurs!

You probably won't be able to find a kid that's not the least bit interested in dinosaurs.
They lived about 201 million years ago and for the most part went extinct about 66 million years ago. That's almost 150 million years of global domination.
Even with all the excitement, fossil evidence, and information out there about these lovable and sometimes scary creatures, there's a whole lot of bunk.


Humans lived along-side dinosaurs, right?
No, humans did not live anywhere near the time of the dinosaurs.
This false depiction is caused by something called the "Creation Museum." It's commonly believed that evolutionary biologists are the ones making this claim but its actually the complete opposite. Making false claims about humans coexisting with dinosaurs is a way in which creationists rationalize the age of the Earth with the age depicted in The Bible.
Although humans weren't around, there were other mammals and tiny animals that lived along-side dinosaurs.
Homo sapiens have only been around for about 200,000 years and the human evolutionary split from Hominidae to Hominini (our earliest human ancestors) happened about 6 million years ago. While early primates existed about 55 million years ago and split to the Hominidae about 14 million years ago.

Not even close.
We've only been the dominant species for a couple hundred thousand years while the dinosaurs ruled the planet for a couple hundred million years.

Did an asteroid wipe out the dinosaurs?
Yes. There is a lot of "de-bunkers" out their claiming that this is false, however in very recent discovery scientists have been able to confirm that an asteroid did in fact make the dinosaurs go extinct as well as some of the other effects an asteroid impact causes that assisted their extinction as well. They didn't have their own NASA. It's not that they were unsuccessful in evolutionary terms, they were more successful than we have been so far, we have got a long ways to go to win that race.

Did all of the dinosaurs go extinct?

Birds evolved approximately 150 million years ago from ancient dinosaurs and they were the ones able to rebound the effects of the asteroid impact and they continue to evolve into the species we know today that actually come from dinosaurs. So when you see a bird, you're seeing back into the past of 150 million years of evolution.
Also flying reptiles (not birds) went extinct with the dinosaurs but they weren't actually dinosaurs technically just a close relative. 

Do archaeologists dig up dinosaur bones?

Archaeology is a subdivision of Anthropology and only deals with humans and the last 3-4 million years. Paleontology is a subdivision of geology and biology and explores fossils spanning 3.5 billion years.

Did all dinosaurs live at the same time?
Not all dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was roughly 1,000 different species of dinosaurs spanning 150 million years. Some evolved and went extinct and new species arose all during that time. They all didn't live together. Birds have about 9,000 species and those species behaved the same way so you're looking at roughly 10,000 different species that spanned 150 million years all at different times.
There are several other species of prehistoric animals that weren't birds or dinosaurs.

 Does dinosaur mean "terrible lizard?"
It means "fearfully- great lizard." Even Wikipedia lies sometimes.

Was the T-Rex Elvis of the dinosaurs?
T-Rex dinosaurs are usually depicted as the toughest dinosaur in the bunch, while they weighed 10,000 pounds and were ferocious creatures, they had to chase down really fast running vegetarian dinosaurs in order to actually eat anything. In prehistoric times you had greater chances of survival if you were a vegetarian than if you were a carnivore, a lot of T-Rex's had short life spans.

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Robot Uprisings: Where is Sarah Conner and her warning of the future?

- - humbugfighter

Robot Uprisings and Robot Humbug



You've all seen the movies, Robin Williams will become so close to human he'll start demanding equal rights, Sarah Conner will warn us of our impending nuclear/robotic doom because of information from a time travelling soldier, and Will Smith will hate the robots so much for ruining his new pair of converse that he will stop the robot uprising all by himself.

There is one thing that these things have in common: (yes obviously robots, but something else) Artificial Intelligence; without that these little hunks of metal wouldn't be smart enough to want to kill us all. 

So what is Artificial Intelligence really?

Meet its father: Alan Turing


Alan Turing: a British computer scientist and mathematician and all around bad ass. He invented the Turing machine: a hypothetical device to simulate computer algorithms, he also designed "ACE" the first design for a stored-program computer, he was also a war hero and brilliant code-breaker, but he was also something else; a homosexual, which is how he wound up in prison and ultimately killed himself with cyanide before his 42nd birthday.
Even with all of his hardships and badassery he did ask a really important question: "Do computers think?"
He devised a method called "The Turing Test" to prove whether or not a computer was thinking.
The test was interesting because it was based on an observer’s perception of the machine, if an observer couldn't tell whether or not what they were communicating with was a human or a computer, therefore the computer must be thinking, if they could tell it was a computer, then it didn't think.

You can thank this guy for all the artificial intelligence breakthroughs, research, and sci-fi awesomeness.

Artificial Intelligence is a branch of computer science that deals with making technology seem more human, giving it realistic effects and a personality, but also dealing with the nature of consciousness and asking... 

"Will machines acquire a consciousness like our own?" 

The answer to that is: We.. really don't know.
We haven't been able to prove that we have a soul or a separate "thing" that makes us different and if we don't then robots are like us, made from different elements and "intelligently designed". 

So the only thing that truly separates us from intelligent robots is whether or not we possess some sort of ghost, soul, or consciousness that makes us somehow superior.

Are they going to kill us all?

Turing thought this fear was a silly argument rooted in man's egoism and want to believe in his own superiority. We're just afraid of not being the "smartest". That fear is irrational because our capacity to create intelligence that exceeds our own is marvelous. 
Similar to fearing death via aliens, it's all rooted in the same fear of human inferiority. I don't see a practical reason for anything or anyone to kill us all.


Will robots take all of our jobs?

Only the ones you wouldn't want, but don't expect to see a bunch of humanoid robots running around the streets. Expect to see them as they are today; gargantuan robotic assembly lines, manufacturing everything, perhaps robot assisted surgeries to prevent those pesky human errors, and of course, robotic spaceflight because they don't quite die as easily as humans.

What would it mean to humans?

We have come a long way, perhaps even further in the field of robotic extensions for humans with disabilities etc. We've also designed programmed intelligence like Siri for the iPhone, she doesn't "really" have a personality but she's programmed by people that do. We also have full sized robots that are so endearing and lovable you could forget it’s a machine. However, no such machine has passed the Turing test but if it's possible for artificial intelligence to mimic human features like a capacity to love, having emotions, thoughts, dreams etc. (Thanks Isaac Asimov) then perhaps this will help us to finally understand some of the greatest mysteries of ourselves.

Carl Sagan once said "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
Perhaps artificial intelligence or man-made intelligence will be our way of knowing ourselves.

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Science Denial: A reflection on rejection

- - humbugfighter

The science of anti-science

Debunking bunk about non-bunk that is perpetuated as bunk

Skepticism luckily keeps science honest but outright science denial is a step outside skepticism to absolute denial of reality even when faced with evidence proving otherwise. For example; evolution, climate change, vaccines, AIDS, archaeological evidence for ancient civilizations, space exploration, etc. are just a few examples of some of the types of science that is commonly denied.

The real issue is that it is easy immediately dismiss the people who deny that AIDS exists or deny that we landed on the moon, but that it's difficult to dismiss people who deny vaccines, climate change, archaeology of ancient civilizations, and sometimes evolution.

It's difficult because they're everywhere, it is alarmingly popular.

The belief that climate change is a hoax seems to be not rooted in any actual argument but for political motivations; that somehow if we all agreed we'd be taxed as a way to solve it (which is a leftist perspective) and fear of those implications means throwing out the science all together (which is a rightist perspective). The real problem with this is the fact that politics should take no place in the realm of science. Similar to the billions in bailouts paid by the U.S. taxpayer to fund alternate energy companies who in turn just went bankrupt as committed by the current (left) administration, just as the left pushes to take away certain freedoms and think forcing the tax payer to pay for something that has no current monetary value in solving will somehow solve the whole issue, the right wing side or former administration replaced scientists with lobbyists for the oil industry to fund research on the denial of climate change and then claimed that it "wouldn't alter the results".
There is no "correct" answer to the issue of climate change from either sides of the political spectrum because they're both wrong simply because it's political.

Vaccinations hold the same merit, as long as a few celebrities are willing to risk their entire careers being against a science that has saved millions of lives, claiming it is causing an autism epidemic. So instead of looking at the facts or talking to your doctor, you're willing to risk your child catching a disease because you don't want to "risk" your child developing a disorder that they're not really at risk for. 

Or when the History channel (claiming to be about actual history) airs hour long segments of UFOLOGY and ancient alien theories to somehow "debunk" the non-existent bunk surrounding the fact that human beings figured out a way to build something that seems unusual to us, so we must revert to the most absurd assumption possible and claim that extraterrestrials built them for some unknown reason.

Are republicans responsible for science denial?

No. There is science denial on both sides of the political spectrum.
Vaccination denial, nuclear energy safety denial, and genetically modified foods safety denial seem to be semi isolated in the realm of the political left with some historical denial thrown in.
While evolution and climate change denial seem to be semi isolated in the realm of the political right with some historical denial thrown in. The common belief that all anti-science solely comes from the right is also bunk that comes from the left.


These individuals believe these claims because they're more "fun" than believing the facts and believe them with absolutely little or no convincing, while it could take a lifetime of factual convincing just to get them to consider the other option.
They may seem as if they're only a few steps away from understanding because of their ignorance in certain scientific premises, which is true.
(An example would be denying global warming because the sun will "burn out" like a log fire. A simple understanding of nuclear fusion (should) change that person's perspective.)
But there is something else entirely that is going on in the minds of these people.


Why are these people so crazy?

A psychological explanation:
Denial is a psychological defense mechanism (as stated by Freud) that even when you're faced with the facts and even when you understand the facts you still revert to some un-provable rationalization because you simply don't "want" to believe it.

I want you to think of this the next time you have a conversation with someone and they are making these outlandish claims and once you've provided the facts for them, they still are absolutely ignorant to the facts, then understand they have a psychological disorder.

They simply cannot accept reality because it is too painful to them, it is too painful for someone to accept that the Bible may have got it wrong on creation or that the world is just a little more complex that you'd like to think and this is too much for you to emotionally handle.

An evolutionary explanation:
In early humans; our brains made quick assumptions based our positive or negative feelings about something or someone.  Our brains are programmed to apply fight-or-flight reflexes not only about people or predators but also data. This is basically also the reason for our capacity to believe in things that are not true. (as explained in a previous post)
We needed to make quick assumptions to avoid predators while having limited amounts of information. However useless it is that our brains still do this, the fact is your brain doesn't really know the difference between rationalization or reasoning. You feel before you think, and basically any argument you have with no preparation is an argument on feeling, whether or not your feeling is rational or irrational. Politics is the hidden persuader in anti-science, (i.e. fear of nuclear war, therefore fear of nuclear science.) Politics sway people by the emotions in the same way that early humans were swayed emotionally by their environmental stimuli.

How do you solve this problem?
Convincing someone who is anti-science may be easier than you think. It could basically require you demonstrating the faultiness in human perception. Show them an optical illusion and explain the reality of it, explain what is going on in their brain and make it fun. Then explain the purpose of science and how science is a method and process in which we weed out any possible interference with human perception and our emotional assumptions. Then explain why people can believe in things that are false. Then.. get to your original point and show the data. There may be a chance that this particular individual may consider for a brief moment that they were wrong. This approach may not work because this seems to happen only if the information is being spoken about on a large scale and repetitive. Similarly in the evolution in early humans, if the rest of my group that protects me decides to believe something else, I will too, for fear of rejection from the group.
Politics is a method that continues to keep science tribal. 
If you get science out of politics and keep tribalism out then you won't have several different "tribes" of people cherry picking the facts and denying the ones they don't like. (The very people who vote, whom make decisions that affect lives of others, whom are in charge of funding research to advance and improve the lives in human beings) 
Science is for everyone and it is here to help us truly understand our world and better our lives and the lives of our future generations.

The biggest mistake
Try not to be abrasive in communicating with these individuals.
If you aren't one of these people then you're most likely infuriated when speaking to one of these people, because you emotionally cannot fathom why anyone would be so ignorant to reality.
Here's the issue, you must be the one whom takes the high road if you want to see less anti science and the reason is this;
If the basis for science denial relies on our early human's survival needs to deal with threats, then abrasiveness will only keep that emotion going. A scientific understanding of why people think this way is important to know, because now you know how to take your own emotions out of the argument and understand that if you possess a human brain then you are every bit capable of the same thinking patterns. 


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Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap: Sweatshops

- - humbugfighter


Sweatshopping Bunk





Sweatshops are defined by the U.S. department of labor as a factory violating 2 or more labor laws.

Just to be clear, not all "Sweatshops" are actually sweatshops.

Most of you may agree with one or both of the next two popular opinions: 

(the leftist approach) Making things overseas is slave labor that forces foreigners to sew together your shoe's for 15 cents while the company reaps the benefits, don't buy anything from them if you want to be a good person!
(the rightist approach) Sweat shops take away needed American jobs and give it to other countries and we need those jobs, we're in a recession here!


Here's some reasons why you both may be wrong;

100 years ago in America, 75% of all the jobs were in the field of food production (farmers).
Which means that soon after, 75% of all the jobs in America were gone! 
We lost those jobs!
During the industrial revolution we created new technology and new means of earning an income! We had steel rails, cars on assembly lines, etc. Had we not "lost 75% of all the jobs" we would literally be a 3rd world country today. 
You would probably not be reading this right now!

So (righters) "losing" jobs to poorer countries is good for us, it frees up the workforce for new types of business and new advancement in technologies which mean new things to invest in, which means economic growth, higher wages, and better working conditions!

Why should poor people have to make all of our stuff so we can stay here and keep getting rich?

(hypothetical scenario) Without that shoe factory somewhere in New Guinea, the people of that nation would have absolutely zero means to purchase clothing, food, and any sort of housing. By bringing industry to a third world country, we are completely transforming their landscape. The landscape doesn't look like America today, but it looks closer to America less than 100 years ago, instead of an America 500 years ago or more.
Money is valued differently depending on which country you are in, a country with no economy basically, a whole dollar goes a lot further than a technologically advanced economy like America, where we are advanced enough for debt. 

So (lefties) sweat shops paying 25 cents a day to a third world worker is actually beneficial to their lives and community than if the factory didn't exist at all!


There is one issue though:

Working conditions;
Working conditions in these factories can be absolutely inhumane similar to America's working conditions and child labor 100 years ago. With the help of the industrial revolution, Henry Ford choosing to pay people a livable wage, and worker's unions, workers in America have certain rights to an environmental standard. Third world workers do not, while it is not directly "our" fault that they have poor working conditions but the fault of those richer people in the country who choose to treat their own workers either well or poor, it is still something we should consider since we put the factory there to begin with, that factory is ours and what goes on inside should matter to us. 
Although there are benefits to third world countries from moving manufacturing overseas, there are extreme benefits to our own economy and the private businesses that do so. 
It is by accident that third world workers benefit at all. 
Even if the working conditions in overseas factories are not up to our standards, it's still way better than their previous working conditions (i.e. working in fields in 100 degree weather for 12 or more hours a day, for half the pay)

In America;
We have a huge human trafficking and slave labor problem inside the U.S. right now.
We should absolutely do our best to make sure that working conditions are legal in the U.S.
As for overseas factories, we could also do more to improve working conditions as well.
We have thousands of sweatshops on our own soil right now, let's deal with those because in America, there are no worse working conditions than that and we have certain laws to abide by.


Draw your own conclusions

Overseas factories aren't necessarily pure evil but they're not all that altruistic either.
If you feel guilty thinking about poor working conditions enough to not buy certain brands and end up spending more money, that's fine.
If you feel good about yourself by purchasing that brand knowing that at least some child is being fed because of it, that's also fine.
No matter how bad you think they are it is factually an improvement of the situation that existed without it.

You're both wrong about why you think what you think. The rest is a matter of opinion.

They benefit the people and it outweighs the option of not having them, it's just that those benefits may not be good enough for you and that is when it's a matter of opinion.

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